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2012-09-07 19:32<+       rg> that's all
2012-09-07 19:32< lucidlepi> hello, all
2012-09-07 19:33<+       rg> ahoy LUCID
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2012-09-07 19:34<  Imperial> Hello
2012-09-07 19:34<+     helo> ;;say doh
2012-09-07 19:34<@  gribble> (say <channel|nick> <text>) -- Sends <text> to <channel|nick>. Can only send to <nick> if supybot.plugins.Anonymous.allowPrivateTarget is True.
2012-09-07 19:34<  Imperial> Does anyone have personal experience with the new Liberty Reserve credit card funding method?
2012-09-07 19:35<      arij> Score 	88 out of 100 points
2012-09-07 19:35<      arij> woo
2012-09-07 19:35<      arij> Imperial: i funded my LR with western union :)
2012-09-07 19:35<      arij> but ihate lr
2012-09-07 19:36-!- mode/#bitcoin-otc [+v helo] by gribble
2012-09-07 19:36< lucidlepi> ahoy, r
2012-09-07 19:36< lucidlepi> ;-)
2012-09-07 19:36<  Imperial> Arij: Just in the past week LR enabled credit card funding straight from their site, which is weird considering they have a no refund policy, and you change LR for MtGox for only a 2% fee
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2012-09-07 19:36<      arij> oh really? i have to check that out...
2012-09-07 19:37<+    Cylta> Imperial: сс - lr - mtgox - btc with only 2.5% fee?
2012-09-07 19:37<  Imperial> Cylta: Yes
2012-09-07 19:37<  Imperial> AFAIK so far
2012-09-07 19:37<      arij> is that cheaper than other methods?
2012-09-07 19:37<+    Cylta> wow!
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2012-09-07 19:38<  Imperial> It won't last, as soon as people fund LR with $1000 from CC, exchange it for mtgox, get the BTC and put it in their wallet and then do a CC chargeback
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2012-09-07 19:38<  Imperial> LR will be in trouble
2012-09-07 19:39<  Imperial> My assumption is that LR is only allow those who send in personal information to be able to fund via CC
2012-09-07 19:39<  Imperial> I am trying to find out now
2012-09-07 19:39<      arij> i dont understand how people can do chargebacks
2012-09-07 19:39<      arij> what are you going to tell the CC company? that you paid for something and they didnt send it?
2012-09-07 19:39<  Imperial> Yes
2012-09-07 19:39<      arij> they will tell you to file a police report
2012-09-07 19:39<      arij> they wont just be like
2012-09-07 19:40<      arij> oh ok we trust you here is your money back
2012-09-07 19:40<      arij> :/
2012-09-07 19:40< Ignatius-> yes, they will
2012-09-07 19:40<  Imperial> The burden of proof is normally on the seller to prove something was sent, especially with cc companies known for charge backs, like american express
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2012-09-07 19:40<      arij> brb i have to test something
2012-09-07 19:41<      arij> hehe just kidding
2012-09-07 19:41<      arij> thats stupid though... you should have to file a police report
2012-09-07 19:41<      arij> to get a charge back
2012-09-07 19:41<  Imperial> What are the police going to do? that will just clogg their system
2012-09-07 19:41<      arij> idk
2012-09-07 19:41<      arij> just so the cc company knows your not bullshitting
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2012-09-07 19:42<  Imperial> If you are bullshitting and they find out, you are commiting fraud
2012-09-07 19:42-!- mode/#bitcoin-otc [+v Joric] by gribble
2012-09-07 19:42<  Imperial> so they are assuming your not an idiot to commit frau
2012-09-07 19:42<  Imperial> d
2012-09-07 19:42<      arij> true true
2012-09-07 19:42<  Imperial> They normally do an internal investigation on large charge backs
2012-09-07 19:43<   Coolio-> anyone want to buy $250 or so of LRUSD?
2012-09-07 19:43<   Coolio-> i'll trade for btc, cash in mail, or moneypak
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2012-09-07 19:52<   EasyAt|> ;;ticker
2012-09-07 19:52<@  gribble> Best bid: 11.08751, Best ask: 11.1, Bid-ask spread: 0.01249, Last trade: 11.1, 24 hour volume: 47463, 24 hour low: 10.86226, 24 hour high: 11.29
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2012-09-07 19:52< ronsunris> ticker doesnt work in PM?
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2012-09-07 19:55<      arij> if you pm gribble it does
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2012-09-07 19:56<+ mindlost> does anyone use btc-e?
2012-09-07 19:57<+ mindlost> *anyone here
2012-09-07 19:57< RickLandm> no and ...
2012-09-07 19:57< RickLandm> no
2012-09-07 19:57<+  GlooBoy> i do.. i mine i did
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2012-09-07 19:58<+ mindlost> i don't suppose you would have any guess why i was banned out of the blue this morning?
2012-09-07 19:59<+ mindlost> i was running a bot, but i thought that was okay
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2012-09-07 19:59<   Coolio-> anyone hee buying LRUSD or selling moneypak
2012-09-07 19:59<+ mindlost> now i can't get at my monies and they haven't written back
2012-09-07 19:59< RickLandm> ;;gerating Coolio
2012-09-07 19:59< RickLandm> ;;getrating Coolio
2012-09-07 19:59<@  gribble> This user has not yet been rated. WARNING: Currently not authenticated.
2012-09-07 20:00< RickLandm> ;;getrating Coolio-
2012-09-07 20:00<@  gribble> Currently authenticated from hostmask Coolio-!~coolio@shed.galexander.org . User Coolio-, rated since Mon Oct 31 05:54:45 2011. Cumulative rating -11, from 37 total ratings. Received ratings: 28 positive, 9 negative. Sent ratings: 31 positive, 6 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Coolio-
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2012-09-07 20:00<+       `g> is there anywhere on teh intarwebz a list of e-ccurency changing sites ?
2012-09-07 20:01<   Coolio-> not a comprehensive one
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2012-09-07 20:02<   Coolio-> ricklandman my rating in this channel is not indicative of much
2012-09-07 20:02<+ Cusipzzz> Coolio-: i lold
2012-09-07 20:02< magnetron> ;;getrating magnetron
2012-09-07 20:02<@  gribble> This user has not yet been rated. Currently authenticated from hostmask magnetron!magnetron@unaffiliated/magnetron .
2012-09-07 20:03<   Coolio-> there's one -2 and then a bunch of -10s from people who don't know me or the person who rated me -2 or anything about the situation
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2012-09-07 20:03<+ Crontaur> would like to purchase 11 BTC with PP EU
2012-09-07 20:03<+ Cusipzzz> Coolio-: the 'situation' is you are way late paying copumpkin and yet you're in here trying to trade with others? just pay him back ffs
2012-09-07 20:03<   Coolio-> a lot of people don't seem to understand the concept of being unable to pay back loans while still feeding oneself and paying rent
2012-09-07 20:03<   Coolio-> what does "for fuck's sake" mean to you?
2012-09-07 20:03<+       `g> Coolio-: like mtgox and such
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2012-09-07 20:04<+ Cusipzzz> Coolio-: yeah. let me break out the tiny violin for you. you got a loan.. the loan didn't say "well, if i need to eat i wont pay.." or i need to pay rent so i wont pay"..pretty sure none of that was mentioned
2012-09-07 20:05<   Coolio-> you don't understand economics or ethics at all my friend
2012-09-07 20:05<+Blitzboom> hello atlas
2012-09-07 20:05<   Coolio-> if someone loans you money, that's a gift
2012-09-07 20:05<  imsaguy2> ah, good to know
2012-09-07 20:05<   Coolio-> you're under no obligation to pay it back unless it benefits you to do so
2012-09-07 20:05<+ Cusipzzz> lol
2012-09-07 20:05<+ Cusipzzz> hahaha
2012-09-07 20:05<+Blitzboom> hello atlas
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2012-09-07 20:05<   Coolio-> loans are based on risk
2012-09-07 20:05<   Coolio-> there's inherent risk in any loan
2012-09-07 20:05<+ Crontaur> +
2012-09-07 20:05<+  pigeons> http://elliotjaystocks.com/blog/good-riddance-paypal/
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2012-09-07 20:06<   Coolio-> and i don't understand how you think it would benefit me or my rating in the channel
2012-09-07 20:06<+     serp> wait are you for real?
2012-09-07 20:06<   Coolio-> to give copumpkin all my bitcoins
2012-09-07 20:06<    darsie> Coolio-: looks like you risked bad reputation and got it.
2012-09-07 20:06<   Coolio-> and then be broke and homeless and unemployed
2012-09-07 20:06<   Coolio-> darsie: i don't have bad reputation tho
2012-09-07 20:06<+ Cusipzzz> Coolio-: lucky i'm too lazy to auth, you should have been +kb a long time ago
2012-09-07 20:06<   Coolio-> i have a bad score on the bot
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2012-09-07 20:06<+       `g> giving your bitcoins would make you homeless ?
2012-09-07 20:06<   Coolio-> yes
2012-09-07 20:07<   Coolio-> how would i pay my rent?
2012-09-07 20:07<    darsie> Coolio-: That's all the reputation I know from you.
2012-09-07 20:07<     AnonX> Cusipzzz> calm down skeeter, he aint hurtin' nobody
2012-09-07 20:07<   grubles> you shouldnt have asked for a loan if you couldnt pay it back
2012-09-07 20:07<   Coolio-> my income completely comes from the profits made from having lots of capital to pull arbitrage with
2012-09-07 20:07<+ Cusipzzz> AnonX: pretty sure we ban known scammers. nothing different here. we'll save future victims
2012-09-07 20:07<   Coolio-> i'm not a scammer
2012-09-07 20:07<+       `g> Coolio-: all your capital are bitcoins ?
2012-09-07 20:07<   Coolio-> `g: bitcoins and various commodities
2012-09-07 20:08<   Coolio-> i don't have a bank account, paypal
2012-09-07 20:08<   Coolio-> etc.
2012-09-07 20:08<+       `g> wow. sounds irrationnal.
2012-09-07 20:08<     AnonX> cusipzzz: im drinking, didnt realise it was scammer, you have my blessings to ban scammers
2012-09-07 20:08<   Coolio-> or a regular job
2012-09-07 20:08<     AnonX> fu scammer
2012-09-07 20:08<   grubles> ;;getrating Coolio-
2012-09-07 20:08<@  gribble> Currently authenticated from hostmask Coolio-!~coolio@shed.galexander.org . User Coolio-, rated since Mon Oct 31 05:54:45 2011. Cumulative rating -11, from 37 total ratings. Received ratings: 28 positive, 9 negative. Sent ratings: 31 positive, 6 negative. Details: http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=Coolio-
2012-09-07 20:08<+ Cusipzzz> AnonX: lol
2012-09-07 20:08<   Coolio-> defaulting on a loan, and having the party who loaned you money SUPPORTIVE of you and arguing against the people trying to defend his honor
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2012-09-07 20:08<   Coolio-> does not make one a scammer
2012-09-07 20:08-!- mode/#bitcoin-otc [+v MoPac] by gribble
2012-09-07 20:09<   Coolio-> if you think your obligations to pay back debt are more important than your obligations to take care of yourself
2012-09-07 20:09<   Coolio-> you're insane
2012-09-07 20:09<+Blitzboom> hello atlas
2012-09-07 20:09<     AnonX> how much debt u default on?
2012-09-07 20:09<+       `g> or have a neat sense of dignity
2012-09-07 20:09<   Coolio-> he loaned 200btc, i promised 25% return in a few weeks
2012-09-07 20:09<   Coolio-> like 6 or something
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2012-09-07 20:09<+ Cusipzzz> Coolio-: people who you owe will obv try to stay on your good side in the small hope of getting paid. but clearly not happening, scammer
2012-09-07 20:10<     AnonX> u stupid fuck
2012-09-07 20:10<   Coolio-> but i lost almost everything to theft right after spending his loan
2012-09-07 20:10<   Coolio-> so it was a couple months before i even had the 250btc again
2012-09-07 20:10<     ezdiy> Coolio- is late with the mortgage
2012-09-07 20:10<   Coolio-> yeah
2012-09-07 20:10<     ezdiy> so his credit ration on -otc are ruined
2012-09-07 20:10<+ neofutur> (20:09) <   Coolio-> if you think your obligations to pay back debt are more important than your obligations to take care of yourself
2012-09-07 20:10<+ neofutur> (20:09) <   Coolio-> you're insane
2012-09-07 20:10<   Coolio-> i haven't paid my electric bill in 5 months
2012-09-07 20:10<   Coolio-> my real credit rating is as low as it gets
2012-09-07 20:10<+ neofutur> no I m not insane, i care my reputation
2012-09-07 20:10<+ Cusipzzz> Coolio-: then you should not be in here trading, what happens when you are robbed again in the middle of a trade? that person fucked too ?
2012-09-07 20:10<   Coolio-> huh
2012-09-07 20:10<+ neofutur> because my reputtion is also an important point to work and feed myself
2012-09-07 20:10<   Coolio-> robbed in the middle of a trade?
2012-09-07 20:10<  Azelphur> Cusipzzz: getting robbed can happen to anyone
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2012-09-07 20:11<   Coolio-> i didn't have my bitcoins robbed
2012-09-07 20:11<+    MoPac> Coolio-: It may not make you a "scammer." But it makes you a huge counterparty risk, someone who should be avoided in any trading situation that depends on you to act responsibly.
2012-09-07 20:11<+ neofutur> also I ll just wont take a loan if I kno i ll probably wont be able to repay
2012-09-07 20:11<   Coolio-> how am i a counterparty risk?
2012-09-07 20:11<     ezdiy> well, if someone is paying back loans
2012-09-07 20:11<   grubles> do you have any intention of paying back copumpkin ?
2012-09-07 20:11<     ezdiy> we call em
2012-09-07 20:11<   Coolio-> neofutur at the time i had momentum to pay no problem
2012-09-07 20:11<     ezdiy> GET A JOB HIPPY
2012-09-07 20:11<     AnonX> because u are a complete retard?
2012-09-07 20:11<+ Cusipzzz> ezdiy: lold
2012-09-07 20:11<+       `g> lol
2012-09-07 20:11<   Coolio-> 300 bitcoins could be made in a few days
2012-09-07 20:11<   Coolio-> cuz i had like 1000
2012-09-07 20:11<     AnonX> when u take a loan, the last thing u do is let someone steal it from you
2012-09-07 20:12<   Coolio-> and he understood i could pay back super high yield loans
2012-09-07 20:12<   Coolio-> but, it was the worst timing possible
2012-09-07 20:12<     ezdiy> Coolio-: you're doing it wrong.
2012-09-07 20:12<   Coolio-> doing what
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2012-09-07 20:12<     AnonX> I bet you are a socialist
2012-09-07 20:12*** copumpkin is a socialist
2012-09-07 20:12<   Coolio-> i don't believe in property rights
2012-09-07 20:12<   Coolio-> i'm an anarchist
2012-09-07 20:12<+       `g> or worse, a french